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&gt;We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.

Jean-Claude Juncker, on how easy it is to evade public opinion

bytemage

I mean, that makes perfect sense to me, the layperson.  We expect our decisions on how we will govern each other to be binding.
    
I live in Kansas, USA where we somewhat recently had a statewide vote to approve a constitutional amendment which would allow anti-abortion legislation to be passed (currently, the right to choose is protected by the state constitution.)  Despite a huge conservative majority in the state and the vote being held on the day one of the major political parties hold their party's primary vote in August, not in November at the general election, the anti-abortion amendment lost overwhelmingly.  It was something like 65% of the state saying they wanted to keep the right to choose.  And the majority in the state legislature have been trying to get around it and ban abortion ever since despite concrete proof that the majority of their constituents do not want that.

Art0fRuinN23

Show people they can not work within a system that you claim is made by and for them, and watch them form new systems. Its good that they empirically documented how a government can undermine and destroy the democratic process, but at this point Id love to hear what regular folk can do to reverse that process

LurkBot9000

And then we have he Netherlands, where after several public referenda with outcomes not in favor of the governments stance, they just deleted the option for public referenda...

Tssrct

Yeah who couldve thought ignoring the public would drive people away from participating in politics?

People make a big hullabaloo about "showing up" and all that cringey guilt-baiting crap but ultimately it goes both ways. Politicians as just as responsible for showing up as the citizenry is, and neither side has a right to make excuses as to why they can't do something. If a would-be voter has no excuse to not vote, a politician has no excuse not to do their jobs and serve the public will. 

Politicians need to start doing the things people actually want them to even if the practical political reality precludes it from happening; though in this context thats just a self-fulfilling prophecy. If all or even most politicians stopped being so cynical and contemptous of the public, the measures people want would actually be dramatically easier to pass, but because they won't stop so then they get to say it won't pass, and because there's a ridiculously childish aversion to losing doing it anyway to demonstrate good faith with the people doesn't happen very often either. 

At least here in America, its arguable that our politicians (and this is across the spectrum mind; dont get caught up in the polarization game trying to reflexively absolve a party of its behavior) are almost perfectly representative of the population. 

Cynical, contemptous, *lazy*. America collectively needs a kick in the ass and I don't know how we're going to get it. A generational leader isn't going to spring out of the ground to do it all for us, and for far too many thats the paralyzing thing being waited on.

[deleted]

Meaning if the people elected to represent the population and its needs don't respect the population's needs, the population decides to turn its back on them? Shocker.

weird_elf

I’m looking at you Richmond Virginia USA, and your casino vote which is happening again.

Hawthorne_northside

All of those results are pluses from the eyes of authoritarians.

If your system is a democracy in name alone then why should people care about voting? Especially since high turnout is used as justification that the system is healthy.

tomullus

chakan2

Even at the level of condo boards and other “low level” voting I’ve found it to be true.

clumsy_poet

Support for Radical Anti System parties. Sounds like my kind of party!

Postnificent

The most pro Brexit post I've seen on Reddit ever.

Akiasakias

I'm not sure this was the best example to use to then generalise from without adjustment of the findings for pre existing factors. 

To say that French politics was mired in scandal it too strong, but various revelations and accusations had been damaging trust for a few years. President Miterand's mistress and child kept at public expense, President Chirac's proximity to vote rigging for his re election as Maire of Paris, let alone revelations the football match fixing by Bernard Tapis which rocked the nation (priorities, come on) . 

President Chirac had been voted in for a second term, not because he was popular, but to keep out the Front National who unexpectedly got through to the second round. Their first round triumph instead of the fairly moderate Lionel Jospin was a terrible error of judgement by those who thought they could do a protest vote in the first round and vote for him in the second.

The referendum was then seen as a less risky area to do another anti Chirac protest vote, and my impression from the French press at the time was that it was not seen as a particularly useful measure of anything except as a political popularity opinion poll, which may have been put about by those who had the power andwho had more to lose from non ratification. Who knows.

However in the areas which had sincerely voted against ratification, of course there was severe disillusionment when President Sarkozy slipped it by us. On top of the already great negative feelings.

Glitz-1958

chivalrydad

Ignoring referenda just happens if those in power can gain something by doing exactly what the people don't want to be done. 
 
Case in point: there was a referendum in the USSR where the majority voted to keep the Union.

Yury-K-K

So, everything that helps the elite to take more control? Perfect!

Lower voter turnout -&gt; old people keep voting for conservative parties controlled by elites.

Protest voting -&gt; Basically not voting.

radical parties -&gt; more votes for ultra-conservative parties, which helps the elites to roll back more democratic institutions.

intotheirishole

But honestly, what happens when the public passes a rule that they *want* to exist, but is incompatible with reality? We could pass a rule banning all CO2 pollution period. But if we actually implemented that rule, people would lose their minds as they suffered blackouts and couldn't drive their car. I feel like this kind of thing happens too often.

cited

We need more anti-system parties. The system has grown too large to sustain.

PolymerSledge

Yeah, for the younger lads here, as horrible as our political parties seem today, I assure you….the freedom and rights seen in western countries today  is significantly better than any other time in history.

Not trying to be condescending, we are far from a utopian society.  

But ask yourself: you are one of 100 Billion Homo sapiens that have existed; what century would have been better for you?  Think in terms of freedom, civil rights, life expectancy, ease of life/labor/leisure, etc.

justingod99

*leaders rubbing hands together and smiling*

Ivotedforher

So the capitalist's way of disenfranchising the youth is working!

peoplesupport

That's why we should avoid referenda in general. They always try to make it a single question for an isolated problem but it never is. 

Like the referendum in 2016 about allowing Ukraine to join the EU. It was widely voted no in the Netherlands. Not because people didn't want ukraine to join, but because people used it as an opportunity to vote against the sitting Prime Minister.

DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL

Referendums have inherent difficulties. They distill complexity to yes/no answers, leaving no room for nuance and compromise. They also empower demagogues to take the result and interpret it at will. They're also difficult to overturn in practice, especially if they concur with the will of a powerful minority. One of the key concepts of the democratic process is the right to change your mind at some time in the future. That is usually denied to the electorate following a referendum.

ukhamlet

Why call yourself a democracy if you're just going to ignore the democratic process?

hairlessgoatanus

Brexit seems to be proof of the opposite.

Foodwraith

Ah, so net effect, more Conservative parties tend to gain power.

My Father in law voted for Trump as a "protest vote", he's not the sharpest crayon in the drawer. And looking back he thinks it was one of the worst decisions of his life.

GetsTrimAPlenty3

I think this would go a long way to explaining the rise of more radical populist movements in the US in combination with the anemic percentage of voters showing up vs the voting eligible population.

AbsentEmpire

We can srgue this point and realise Brexit was a big mistake  and should have been svoided as it was a non legally binding vote

paulusmagintie

I mean, honouring can cause massive problems too. The UK post Brexit referendum and Scotland post independence referendum have way less faith in the democratic process and government than they did before. Both created deep senses of resentment that haven't been addressed at all, mostly arising from how the campaigns were conducted and their aftermath.

Although to be fair it is the same government in both cases so them and their tactics are probably the common denominator here.

FootCheeseParmesan

France is a unitary state with a unicameral legislature. It's not a typical democracy.

Most democracies are parliamentary or federated republics

TracyMorganFreeman

When have "progressives" ever had conviction of policy?   If your ideals are emotional.. youre going to vote emotionally.

People who care about policy, are sidetracked by compassion. They have to ability to deal with the ugly side of society.  They dont have to coddle it, because that what the identity requires.

Thats what religions do, literally.  Believe in compassion, without addressing reality and facts.

And the collapse of society has always revolved around the same type of people.

Bartacomus

I don’t care which political party wins in Maharashtra, I just want that whatever party comes to Maharashtra finally focuses on the civil rights and development of Marathi people.

Marathis face blatant discrimination in Mumbai. We are not allowed to live in a third of the city and there are at least 20,000 housing societies with rules “Marathis not allowed”.

I just want a government that can stop discrimination against us. And I know BJP won’t do it, they support discrimination because it’s done by Gujjus.

**Whole Maharashtra is suffering from BJP and their pro-Gujju/Marwari ideology.** They have made Marathis 3rd class citizens in Mumbai.!

Every Marathi in Mumbai is sick of this discrimination and bigotry again us in our own state. As a Marathi, I have lost faith in the union of India 😔

kiko_elixir

Bjp needs a shock to straighten its cadre.

slow_cheatah

I ain't believing no "voter turnout" or "exit polls" 

Helpful-Swan394

Lol what nonsense

I'm from Maharashtra, voting picks up in the afternoon and is already around 46%

Have some patience

throwawayWM3

If BJP isn't winning I would say just unfortunately Shiv Sena should win. Because, Congress will do what they did in Karnataka, they will release all Muslims ra\*\*\*\*\*, terro\*\*\*\*\*, and rioters and people will be jailed for playing Hanuman chalisa in their home. Better get Shiv Sena so at least Hindus can at least live peacefully.

BJP is most probably losing in the maharashtra. Thanks to its leadership in the state and people are angry with the BJP for so many reasons. Most of them include Gujarati leadership at the centre. Local parties are specifically targeting moving projects to gujrat, Hindi imposition, BJP candidates insulting non veg population and konkani people. Basically karen mode.

spcoder9

Vote or as a punishment do social service hours.

EvilPoppa

After Haryana elections and Lok Sabha I do not believe any news and wait for the end result. Also yesterday, I saw a post on Mumbai sub where a guy said he was either doing NOTA or not giving vote because all candidates were shit in his area.

Reddit is an echo chamber, the point has been proved time and again. The ground reality is far different from this. Let's wait for the results

Spiritual-Daikon-611

Zero ground knowledge here not even from MP. Here's my prediction: BJP will lose. The gap in seats will be about 12  to 21

Sachin_Paul

BJP in Maharashtra is all about giving free stuff to everyone except the middle class now funnily enough all the other parties were already  doing this anyway. Go and ask votes from your *ladki bahins* instead of coming to me.

Sumeru88

Psychological-Tea611

Shame on people because they aren't voting? Or shame on them that that's causing BJP to lose?

vkasha

Voting percentage is fine, not deviated much from previous elections. Cannot comment solely on this.

SubstantialAction0

Voting % is 45-50% by 3 pm 

So it will be around 55-60% by 5 pm.

And around 60-65% by close..

This is easily 3-5% more than 2024 LS polls and also higher than 2019 VS.

Existing_Program_256

Voted just an hour back

The voter sheet had most of the names crossed out ( at least in my urban area booth)

Dalbus_Umbledore

Mumbai has always had a low voter turnout. Even after an event like 26/11, in the LS elections the following year, turnout was abysmal. Urban Indians just don't vote, it's a common feature all over the country.

ididacannonball

People who don’t vote deserve MVA. Like voters, their leaders too won’t get off their asses to clear the development works. 

Frankly, I don’t care for Mahayuthi too. Ajit Pawar is as corrupt as they can get. I hope BJP and SS part their ways with corrupt NCP.

Weary_Programmer_892

FlyonthewallofRed

I don't think BJP losing would be much of a shocker.. I have ZERO ground knowledge but don't really see them being popular there.. specially after LS results

Ok_Reflection_4571

Don't think people have idea on the ground. BJP might end up ruling the state along with its alliance. Ajit Pawar will be the only headache for the BJP. If he manages to pull off because he might end up on 2-3 seats..

beautiful-blonde-1

bjp wants to get people to vote by instilling fear, not by motivating... clearly indicates they have nothing compelling to offer

haridavk

Wait till the end. Miraculously 10% extra turnout will be reported.

desijatt13

So Maharashtra is the biggest swing state of India?

PensionMany3658

That's where the difference lies. They'll come even from Sharjah and Kuwait to vote here and our people will sit at home or even worse, go out for a trip instead of voting.  
What's the point of having such a majority?

knightmare89

 Even if they went to vote,it won’t be BJP.Especially after both leaders of BJP and Shinde Shivsena got caught yesterday distributing money for votes.

Herr_Doktorr

You can blame the tax terrorism for this loss.

Bjp needs a defeat and should be put in their place.  They have taken tax payers for a ride for long enough.  MH, being a powerhouse in tax income should send a message to the center.

galeej

people have just given up , NO POLITICAL PARTY WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE anyways.

Electronic-Damage-46

Is there an ideology anymore. It's all about power and money now.

thekop24

It’s because we know that no matter who comes we will still suffer. We will still have terrible infrastructure like local trains, terrible pot hole patched roads (including coastal road), still the same lawlessness and same traffic everyday.

Nothings going to change no matter who comes, why even waste time by voting or even pressing NOTA ?

teriyaki_tofu1

Most people in Maharashtra do not live in Maharashtra any more. They can't afford days leave( companies might not even give them holidays for going home to vote). Even if they could, trains and flights are already booked.

Rakesh1995

Maharashtra had its highest voter turnout of 65.2%, a 30 year high. 

Is it low? Well that's subjective. almost never been higher.

Opening-Bison5114

But all Exit Polls saying BJP coming back......

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rushi862

slumlordmoseschrute

If it ain't in BJP states it ain't news worthy

BJP itself is not contesting in many constituencies

accur4te

Until the results come out I am not believing any surveys.

TravellingMills

If the voter turnout is low then it favours the incumbent government. If it is higher then it's more often than not an anti incumbancy vote.

Source : all survey polling agencies confirm this trend.

ctrl-your-stupidness

People must vote. People cannot complain about result but not vote. How to explain People the importance of voting?

PrestigiousExpert686

I predicted this many months ago

Even in India Mumbai has an exceptionally young demographic population

BJP isn’t offering that young working professional demographic anything other than religious politics which nobody in Maharashtra cares about (because most Marathi’s identify as Marathi first and religion second, unlike in other Indian states)

Nothing about reducing tax burden on the working professional middle class, nothing about increasing jobs or attractiveness for FDI for the working professional middle class 

None of these people want to vote for Congress or socialists, and Shiv Sena is imploding… So they’ll just become apathetic and not bother to go vote. 

It’s a story as old as time repeated across many countries.

UnsafestSpace

Yes. Biryani , quarter and ek ek kilo Kanda tamatar wale voters have given their votes

workgrinit

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earnmore_money

There is undoubtedly an anti BJP current in Maharashtra, but NDA will still manage to make it competitive due to local strongmen, extensive rss outreach, ladki bahin scheme and maratha reservation not being a very big factor anymore. I'll say it's about 50-50 now with 20 odd seats where it's very close and will be decided by a few thousand or even few hundred votes

No-Location-1885

Let them rot like WB if they want Congress

cryptomoon_484

Bjp isn't winning either ways. Popular mandate on ground mostly is w MVA.

curdrice55

Some people in comments- Mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai mumbai

-S-S_Sympathizer

Yeah vote BJP because Abdul is voting 🤧...such a delulu

StoicIndie

Hope NDA gets wiped out in Vidarbha. Gadkari se chhutkara milega, the most shameless minister in Modi cabinet.

OtherDegree3593

I remember spending 4 hours and 40 minutes to vote in the Romanian presidential elections while I was in Denmark back in 2014. Hordes of people there.

Good on you, Turks! It's your day to be gay!

Famoustractordriver

Erdogan voters had always gone to the elections, this year the opposition is also pouring into the booths. I expect 90% voter turnout.

All young too unlike in Berlin where all the old fucks vote for Erdogan but love living in Germany, far from his restrictive policies.

kachol

Well we do usually have high voter turnouts.

ZrvaDetector

pistruiata

Walt_Thizzney69

most of these people are expats who will vote for the opposition.

Jaeithil

Looks to be a reasonably young Crowd.Good tidings, then.

MercantileReptile

Mexico's historic judicial election process aims at tackling corruption but faces criticism for potential threats to judicial independence and low voter turnout.

Mexico Elects Judges Amid Controversy and Low Voter Turnout

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